1 00:00:04,079 --> 00:00:08,140 President Obama has arrived in the UK for a three -day visit, during which 2 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,780 make the case for the UK staying in the European Union. 3 00:00:11,020 --> 00:00:13,980 Leave campaigners have said he should butt out of the debate. 4 00:00:14,540 --> 00:00:21,280 We were in a very tough fight, and a tough fight in which we felt the 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,180 economy was the most important issue. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Obama was very keen Britain should stay in the EU. He thought it made us 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,100 stronger, safer and better off, to coin a phrase. He said, you know, well, what 8 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:34,100 can I do to help? 9 00:00:34,180 --> 00:00:38,580 He'd noticed that a lot of the arguments for Brexit were just crazy. I mean, 10 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:40,200 false. I mean, they were lies. 11 00:00:40,660 --> 00:00:43,440 I said, well, one argument they're making is that there's going to be this 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,360 trade deal with the United States if we tear up our trade deals with Europe. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,280 He says, well, that's obviously nonsense. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,920 Obama said, you know, you guys would be... 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,280 you know, at the back of the queue, and, you know, kind of as a joke in a way, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,300 and everybody kind of chuckled. 17 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:00,860 He said, do you think it would be helpful if I said that? 18 00:01:01,340 --> 00:01:04,500 And I said, yeah, I think it will be helpful, because it's going to puncture 19 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:06,420 this Brexit myth. 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Some of the folks on the other side have been ascribing to the United States 21 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:20,680 certain actions we'll take if the UK does leave the EU. 22 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:25,410 And we were all in the campaign gathered around the television set, dozens of us 23 00:01:25,410 --> 00:01:28,690 all, you know, in silent anticipation. 24 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:32,850 I figured you might want to hear from the President of the United States what 25 00:01:32,850 --> 00:01:34,070 think the United States is going to do. 26 00:01:34,510 --> 00:01:37,890 And UK is going to be in the back of the queue. 27 00:01:38,690 --> 00:01:43,690 Huge cheer went up when Obama said this. And we thought, wow, we've done it. 28 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:48,250 He's clinched it. He's made the argument in one fell swoop. 29 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:50,110 I was in the back of a black cab. 30 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:57,180 And I was following on Twitter what was the reaction to Obama's comments. 31 00:01:59,060 --> 00:02:04,380 And then the cab driver pulled his window back and he was listening to the 32 00:02:04,380 --> 00:02:05,780 story on the radio. 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,020 Are you hearing this, Governor? Back of the queue? That's not very friendly, is 34 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:11,520 it? I bet you won't be the back of the queue when they need another ally for 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,520 next bloody war. 36 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:17,600 British people hate being told what to do by people who don't have any skin in 37 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,600 the game. 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,420 It was a reminder of how the Westminster bubble was just talking to itself. 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,020 Ten years ago. Oh, right. 40 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,560 Both seems unimaginably distant and like yesterday. 41 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:40,840 The vote to leave the European Union changed the course of British history. 42 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Ten years on, this is the story of how it happened, told by those inside the 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,760 campaign. 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,600 I love that bus. I love that bus. It was a bus of truth, by the way. We had sort 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,500 of entered the post -truth age of political campaigns. 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:58,800 Johnson, you're a liar. 47 00:02:59,420 --> 00:03:05,280 From about two weeks before, I said, I think this thing's going to go down. 48 00:03:05,660 --> 00:03:08,420 Let's make June the 23rd, 2016, 49 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,180 Independence Day. Let's do it. 50 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:32,630 With just four months to go until the referendum, the British media had one 51 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:38,290 obsession. Would Boris Johnson campaign to stay in or leave the EU? 52 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:46,530 I was at our house in Colbert Row, and as the day went by, more 53 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:50,550 and more press were gathering outside. 54 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:56,150 So what starts as a sort of low hum becomes... 55 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Much, much louder. 56 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,460 I arrived back at our house in Islington to find the whole place absolutely 57 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:11,840 swarming with representatives of TV, journalists, everybody was there. 58 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:20,579 I remember it being incredibly stressful, just not being able to 59 00:04:20,579 --> 00:04:22,180 control this press. 60 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:31,190 I felt under huge pressure, emotional, psychological pressure, to 61 00:04:31,190 --> 00:04:32,990 come up with a decision. 62 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:37,330 He walked over to me, stared me in the face and he said, what do you think I 63 00:04:37,330 --> 00:04:38,330 should do? 64 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:43,250 And I looked at him and I said, what do you think, what do I think you should 65 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:45,610 do? I said, you've got to be effing joking. 66 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:49,490 I said, you know, I'm just the guy that smokes fags outside and does your 67 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:51,910 briefing, right? The decision is yours to make. 68 00:04:52,570 --> 00:04:53,570 No one else is. 69 00:04:54,070 --> 00:04:58,970 And there was a bit of harrumphing and he looked at me and he just went, you're 70 00:04:58,970 --> 00:05:03,130 right, let's do it. In order to psych myself up for the ordeal of talking to 71 00:05:03,130 --> 00:05:08,850 media, which I don't want to do, but they're all outside the house and they 72 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:15,810 won't go away, I do some press -ups in the hope of getting some, you know, 73 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:19,310 endorphins or something so that I can kind of, you know... We were heading to 74 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:21,930 the door and I said, hang on, have you let Dave know... 75 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:25,970 And he was like, oh, Christ, Cameron, let me text him, let me text him. 76 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:30,890 Text Dave, a slightly emollient text, you know, trying to sort of cheer him 77 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:34,370 He's saying, I'm sure we'll lose anyway, but there you go. 78 00:05:35,190 --> 00:05:36,630 This is what I have to do. 79 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:45,650 It was such a Boris phrase, saying, I know that Brexit will be crushed like 80 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:48,910 toad under the harrow, but I feel I have to support it. 81 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:56,780 The last thing I wanted was to go against David Cameron or the government. 82 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,920 But after a great deal of heartache, I don't think there's anything else I can 83 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,620 do. I will be advocating vote leave or whatever the team is called. 84 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:12,120 I thought it was a brave thing to do and rather idealistic in a way. 85 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:16,660 None of us knew what was going to happen and it was a leap in the dark. 86 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,460 Anyone would think he'd like your attention, love him or loathe him. You 87 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:26,440 ignore him. Boris Johnson has just taken a huge political jump that could change 88 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,439 this campaign. 89 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:28,900 Look, it was a big blow. 90 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:34,760 He had a high favourability rating. He was listened to on this issue. It was 91 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,380 going to make a massive difference in the campaign. 92 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,360 The next day, Cameron prepared to launch the referendum campaign in Parliament. 93 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:49,090 Knowing his most dangerous opponent was now on his own backbenches. 94 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:55,290 I don't think at that point he really believed in it. He believed it was going 95 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:56,249 to lose. 96 00:06:56,250 --> 00:07:03,010 But he thought he was on a sort of bet to nothing by supporting Leave, 97 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:06,910 because he would be, you know, a sort of patriotic hero. 98 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:10,850 I remember thinking it was nothing to do with... 99 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,040 The EU, Britain's place in the world, the single market. It was Game of 100 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:19,700 That's what Boris Johnson was playing, and you could see the Iron Throne right 101 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,280 there, about to be vacated. 102 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,480 Order. 103 00:07:22,940 --> 00:07:24,660 Statement. The Prime Minister. 104 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:26,720 Thank you, Mr Speaker. 105 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,080 We are a great country. 106 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:34,420 And whatever choice we make, we will still be great. But I believe the choice 107 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:40,280 between being an even greater Britain inside a reformed EU or a great leap 108 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,119 the unknown. 109 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,200 So in the statement, there were some very, very clear barbs there which were 110 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,840 designed to put the idea about that Boris Johnson, maybe he's just 111 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,220 himself so that he can get the keys to number 10 when it's all done. 112 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,180 And Mr Speaker, let me end by saying this. 113 00:07:56,380 --> 00:07:59,060 I'm not standing for re -election. 114 00:07:59,570 --> 00:08:01,330 I have no other agenda. 115 00:08:01,950 --> 00:08:06,510 I have no other agenda than what is best for our country. It was clear that the 116 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:13,470 attack on our campaign was going to be personal and that the way they were 117 00:08:13,470 --> 00:08:18,390 to try to defeat the arguments for leave was by playing the man, not the ball. 118 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:24,010 It wasn't just the Conservatives who were divided. 119 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:29,020 Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was preparing to give his first speech of 120 00:08:29,020 --> 00:08:30,020 campaign. 121 00:08:30,740 --> 00:08:35,919 Jeremy wanted to use that speech to set out his own personal 122 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:42,659 development on the issue of the EU because he was constantly 123 00:08:42,659 --> 00:08:46,520 being attacked for being a closet Eurosceptic. 124 00:08:47,790 --> 00:08:51,650 I was under a lot of questions all the time about it, and so I thought it's 125 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:56,290 important that we actually stop this question of sort of corridor 126 00:08:56,290 --> 00:08:57,970 the whole time with everybody. 127 00:08:58,270 --> 00:09:05,030 We sent the draft to him that was very clear. That's why I want Britain to 128 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:06,590 remain in the European Union. 129 00:09:07,990 --> 00:09:13,830 And it would come back amended to that's why Labour wants Britain to remain in 130 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:14,830 the European Union. 131 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:17,050 Changed it around quite a bit, actually. 132 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:19,070 Well, they're very keen on I. 133 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:20,530 I'm not. 134 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,050 There's no I in Corbyn. 135 00:09:23,630 --> 00:09:29,990 We. I was trying to present we as the campaign, we as the party, we as the 136 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:30,990 movement. 137 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:42,050 Now a crucial democratic opportunity for people to have their say on our 138 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:46,070 country's future and the future of our continent as a whole. 139 00:09:47,180 --> 00:09:51,080 As Alan explained, the Labour Party is overwhelmingly for staying in. 140 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:57,320 I thought, well, at the end of the day, this guy is never going to give his 141 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:03,320 whole hide support here. A lot of people saw the referendum as a cipher for 142 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,760 their own anger at their life in our society. 143 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:11,680 Going around and telling them to vote for the EU, which is trying to bring in 144 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:16,220 more free market economics, isn't going to work and isn't going to cut it. 145 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,060 With two months to go, Cameron sent out his troops to launch the government's 146 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:31,060 campaign. 147 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,960 So the four of us walked out into this big manufacturing hall with podiums 148 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,320 up, one after the other, the riflemen at the front of the battle. 149 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:48,040 It was a big moment for us because it was us launching the number that we 150 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,080 then put on billboards and put in the adverts and put in the leaflets that 151 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,080 go around the country. 152 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,980 The Treasury has run the numbers. 153 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Liz Truss wasn't Liz Truss then. 154 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:04,700 She was one of the team on Remain. If productivity falls, we will see 155 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:11,460 lower wages in Britain, consumption will fall, and people will 156 00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:13,960 be permanently poorer. 157 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,260 It was very clear in the EU referendum that... 158 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:23,000 People emotionally were quite attached to the idea of independence and standing 159 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,120 up for Britain and being against Europe. 160 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:31,980 But the thing that concerned them, those people, was the economic cost, the 161 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:37,500 risk. The central estimate is that in the long run, GDP would be over 6 % 162 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:42,380 smaller and Britain would be worth off by £4 ,300 per household. 163 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:47,900 It was all over the focus groups and it went down like a bucket of... 164 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:51,750 cold sick. Why isn't 4 ,250 or 4 ,150? 165 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:55,670 They said, how could you possibly know? Which, by the way, is a good question. 166 00:11:55,950 --> 00:11:59,190 This equation that's in the 200 -page Treasury document, which comes to the 167 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:02,490 conclusion that if Britain votes to leave the European Union, it will cost 168 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:03,890 and every household £4 ,300. 169 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:07,410 You can't sit down with them and say, well, let us explain our economic 170 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:12,150 modelling to you. Do you have Excel on your computer? I mean, you know, you 171 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:13,150 can't do that. 172 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,380 Try and say that out loud, because I'm not sure I could do that. 173 00:12:17,060 --> 00:12:19,700 Oh, my God. Get your glasses on. Really? Yes. 174 00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:26,400 I -N brackets, I -F -D -I, close brackets, equals A to the power of I -J, 175 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,200 -1, I -N brackets, Y -I -T, close brackets, plus... I went back to the 176 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,460 I said, it's very simple, guys. 177 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,840 We are never using the words £4 ,300 ever again. 178 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,000 The Treasury got a real bashing, and I got a real bashing. 179 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:45,690 But this is how we'd won the last general election. This is how Tony Blair 180 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:50,690 Margaret Thatcher won elections in the decades before us. If we vote to leave 181 00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:54,410 the 23rd of June, we will be voting for higher prices. 182 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:05,710 Vote Leave had produced their own figure. 183 00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:10,030 The point of using that really was... 184 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:16,510 to try and drive the Remain campaign and people running it crazy. 185 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:19,970 Probably one of the happiest moments of the campaign was when it was all agreed 186 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:26,050 and just knowing how certain people were going to react when we used the £350 187 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:27,050 million figure. 188 00:13:28,430 --> 00:13:32,650 Essentially, you have a powerful government that's won the election and 189 00:13:32,650 --> 00:13:38,310 very powerful ability to control how the media reported the campaign. 190 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:43,760 Vote Leave now had their messenger. 191 00:13:44,180 --> 00:13:45,300 Can we do it? 192 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:52,380 And to attract non -Tory voters, Labour's most prominent Brexiteer, 193 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:55,660 Gisela Stewart, was sent around the country with him. 194 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:58,200 Vote Leave! Vote Leave! 195 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:04,620 I had the first experience of what it's like to campaign with someone like Boris 196 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:05,620 Johnson. 197 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:15,840 People would be in upstairs windows, opening their windows, waving at him and 198 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,940 shouting at him. 199 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:25,980 You almost got the sense that Boris's 200 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:31,920 presence gave people permission to be enthusiastic about something which they 201 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,380 were told by everybody else they should not be enthusiastic about. 202 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,040 Thank you very much. 203 00:14:43,719 --> 00:14:45,760 Cameras were there. We were given ice cream. 204 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:50,660 At that moment, I start to panic because ice cream has a habit of dripping. 205 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:55,780 A woman in the crowd just stepped out and said, Mr Johnson, can I eat your ice 206 00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:57,740 cream? Go on, you have the whole thing. 207 00:14:59,060 --> 00:14:59,959 There you go. 208 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:01,040 It's a delicious ice cream. 209 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:07,500 So these were the days when people were still so loving and trusting as to take 210 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:08,740 an ice cream from my hands. 211 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:13,760 and um and eat it so it was it was wonderful 212 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:20,500 boris had sort of chuckled nervously over the fact that 350 213 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:25,420 million we we send the 350 million a week was plastered on the side of the 214 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:30,020 and i think he was like how are we going to defend this let's deal with your 215 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:34,160 arguments one of them is on the side of this bus we send 350 million to europe 216 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,340 We don't. No, we don't. No, we don't. Yes, it is. No, it's not. Yes, it is. 217 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,280 it's not like someone's a comedy caper on the bus. 218 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Admit that that figure is grotesquely misleading. 219 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,260 No, I won't. I won't. I won't. 220 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,460 Dominic's view when we raised it with him was simply, just let them keep 221 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:51,179 the issue. 222 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:53,720 You're wandering around the country with a dirty great lie on the side of your 223 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,520 bus. No, because that gross figure is the right figure. 224 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,220 Because if they say, it's not 350 million, it's 170 million, anyone at 225 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:06,010 just going to be looking and thinking, £170 million a week. That's a fuck of a 226 00:16:06,010 --> 00:16:06,809 lot of money. 227 00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:10,310 This bus has a lot of miles to travel in the coming weeks. There's a lot of 228 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:11,930 debate to be had on both sides. 229 00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:18,970 I remember having a conversation with the BBC and saying, every single 230 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:23,810 you do, every single piece of film that you use has got this in it. 231 00:16:24,030 --> 00:16:26,390 It's full throttle for the Leave campaign. 232 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,740 You are allowing them to put their campaign message across that is not true 233 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:35,580 and over and over again. 234 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:39,860 And I remember the person at the BBC just sort of like shrugging their 235 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:41,700 and saying, what do you expect me to do about it? 236 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:46,680 You can see Boris Johnson attempting to angle grind it in oblivion. 237 00:16:51,860 --> 00:16:56,420 Nigel Farage was determined not to let Boris Johnson steal the show. 238 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,920 He was running a separate leave campaign and took his own bus and message on 239 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,359 tour around the country. 240 00:17:05,380 --> 00:17:10,880 Boris comes out and says, yeah, you know, I'm going to embrace leave. And I 241 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,000 said, well, thank goodness for that. He'll help get us over the line. 242 00:17:14,940 --> 00:17:17,380 But never for one moment did I think I could step back. 243 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:22,280 I'd already been on this journey for well over 20 years. 244 00:17:23,619 --> 00:17:24,980 So we did it with a bit of noise. 245 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:26,500 We did it with a bit of colour. 246 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:32,100 Do you like the theme tune, The Great Escape? 247 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,420 Because that's what we've got to do, isn't it? We've got to escape. 248 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,760 Who do you think came up with the idea? 249 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,640 Nigel. He's a pantomime vaudeville act. 250 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:43,640 Are you voting for Brexit, sir? 251 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Tell me what it is. 252 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,020 50 -50. 253 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,380 It's going to be really close. 254 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,280 This bus was shit. 255 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:59,080 To get it repainted was more expensive than the actual bus. It was falling to 256 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,900 bits. It was a mess inside. No toilets, no seats downstairs. 257 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:06,720 And a driver who should never be allowed to drive, ever. 258 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,920 We knew that borders, mass migration were huge, huge issues. 259 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,260 And we knew that we had to prosecute that argument because a softer vote 260 00:18:19,260 --> 00:18:23,660 campaign, particularly with Johnson on board, were unlikely. 261 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:30,420 to make it we piled into immigration and the engagement was extraordinary 262 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:37,400 the places we had chosen these were all labor heartlands we 263 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,400 realized that it was in the labor heartlands the working men and women 264 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,260 left behind and disconnected from the political discourse 265 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:55,980 Boris and I did speak on the phone very regularly through the campaign. 266 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,140 Compared notes, talked about who was doing what, who was visiting where, so 267 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,620 did talk. I do remember talking once, at least once, probably at most once, to 268 00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:08,880 Nigel about the way the campaign was going and what we could do together. 269 00:19:09,140 --> 00:19:12,720 I said to Boris one Sunday morning, what about we all merge in, I don't know, 270 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Andover, anywhere you like. 271 00:19:14,780 --> 00:19:18,660 Oh, yes, he said, it would be like the Russians and the Americans meeting on 272 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:19,780 Elba in 1945. 273 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,600 I said, well, I hadn't quite thought of it that way, but I mean, fine, you know. 274 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:26,500 And he was very enthused by it. 275 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,660 And then he said to me, let me ask my people. 276 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,960 I said, sorry, what do you mean? 277 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:37,050 Dominic Cummings' view was... That Nigel Farage had ardent support but there was 278 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:41,510 a ceiling to it. And that you would never win a campaign that Nigel Farage 279 00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:45,070 if you needed more than 50 % of the public to support it. 280 00:19:45,290 --> 00:19:49,450 There was a sense that there was a possibility that Farage could somehow 281 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:53,210 the campaign and engagement with him was not a good look. I was really clear, 282 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:56,130 Don was really clear, everyone in the campaign was clear. 283 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:57,810 Absolutely not. 284 00:20:00,570 --> 00:20:03,850 Cummings may not have wanted to join forces with Farage. 285 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:07,310 But he wasn't above stealing his message on immigration. 286 00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:14,630 We are giving two billion pounds to Macedonia, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro 287 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:15,870 Turkey to join the EU. 288 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:24,650 David Cameron now claims Turkey won't join the EU, but that's not what he said 289 00:20:24,650 --> 00:20:25,650 before. 290 00:20:26,410 --> 00:20:30,270 This is something I feel very strongly, very passionately about. 291 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:35,670 Together... I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels. 292 00:20:36,250 --> 00:20:43,050 I was at my in -laws in Wiltshire and I got a call from Boris. And I went 293 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:45,510 outside to the front gate to take it. 294 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:52,550 And when I pressed the button, I went to put it up to my... It was like that. I 295 00:20:52,550 --> 00:20:53,409 hated it. 296 00:20:53,410 --> 00:20:54,890 And I was very angry. 297 00:20:55,150 --> 00:20:57,830 I thought this wasn't agreed, this wasn't what we wanted. 298 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:00,810 And, you know, I hit the roof. 299 00:21:01,310 --> 00:21:05,070 Have you seen the effing poster? Have you seen the effing advert from Dominic? 300 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:10,050 You know, I've got Turkish ancestors myself, very proud of it. I thought 301 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:15,750 start casting it purely in terms of being hostile to immigrants, which is 302 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:19,890 partly, by the way, sorry, the problem with, you know, the other chap we've 303 00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:20,890 been talking about. 304 00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:25,010 Because he was all, their campaign was all about being hostile to immigrants. 305 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:28,810 And that wasn't where I was. I put the phone on the gate. 306 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:32,680 and stepped back a few feet, and I could still hear him. 307 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,380 And I went back to get the phone, and I urged him to calm down. 308 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:40,680 Everybody who knows anybody about somebody knows there was not a cat's 309 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,020 Hades of Turkey joining the EU. 310 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:45,520 That wasn't going to happen. 311 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,680 He said to me, I'm getting in the car, I'm driving back to London, I'm going to 312 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,060 have it out with him, I'm going to have it out with him. And I thought, Christ, 313 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:55,860 he's going to go round to Dominic's and whack him. 314 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:58,870 I wish I had. God, this is going to save me a lot of trouble. 315 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:00,710 Brilliant idea. 316 00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:03,970 God, I wish I'd done that. What a fantastic thing to have done. 317 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:10,450 I think I thought about resigning, but in the end I just defaceted myself from 318 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:11,450 that. 319 00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:15,530 There were moments in the campaign where you just couldn't believe what you were 320 00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:18,630 seeing. A sort of nativist, farragist... 321 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,100 a bunch of claims about immigration that simply aren't true. And the idea that 322 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:27,620 Turkey was going to join the EU any time soon was nonsense. 323 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:32,340 I constantly said to David Cameron, we need to be clear on this. We have to 324 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:37,580 clear that we have a veto and that we would use it in any suggestion that 325 00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:39,040 was going to join the EU. 326 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,700 It was very difficult because I was... 327 00:22:42,030 --> 00:22:44,330 a campaigner, but I was also the prime minister. 328 00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:51,290 And there were, you know, important relationships, whether with Turkey or 329 00:22:51,290 --> 00:22:55,130 European countries that, you know, you're trying to think, I have to think 330 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:57,370 these relationships as well as about the campaign. 331 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:01,970 This idea that there was going to be a sort of, you know, reasoned debate, 332 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:08,200 just... disappeared out the window. And I mean, it was a political campaign and 333 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,220 it was a very hard fought, sometimes quite grubby campaign. 334 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,820 Good morning. 335 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:23,340 It's 13 minutes to eight. The Sun in its lead says claims have been swirling 336 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:27,380 around Westminster and online that Marina Wheeler was the QC caught in a 337 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:30,460 clinch with another lawyer at Waterloo Station last summer. 338 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:35,390 I got wind of the fact that there was a rumour around about me. 339 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:40,350 I don't remember the details, but it definitely involved some knickers 340 00:23:40,350 --> 00:23:44,230 somewhere. Anyway, first I didn't think very much about it, and I thought, well, 341 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:47,510 it will be obvious it wasn't me because I wasn't in the country at that time. 342 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:53,990 But then I did start to think people were avoiding me. 343 00:23:54,790 --> 00:23:56,670 I was very, very wound up. 344 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,820 by the personal attacks. 345 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Not just playing the man, not the woman, playing the man's wife. 346 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,240 And, you know, what kind of politics is it where they go for people's wives? 347 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,900 Dominic Cummings saw an opportunity. 348 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:20,880 We convene in Dom's office and Dom says, this is Osborne, this has to be 349 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,820 Osborne. And we immediately just explain it to Boris. 350 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:31,910 An additional kilo tonne of iron entered his soul at that point. 351 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:34,290 I probably thought, well, sod it, you know. 352 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:40,310 Don't get mad, get even. And I thought, well, we've just got to win this thing. 353 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:45,990 And it was from that moment that he said, I am prepared to go on TV tomorrow 354 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:46,990 talk about immigration. 355 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:52,410 George Osborne says it's utterly untrue he was the source of the article. 356 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:55,650 Nonetheless, Cummings' claim worked. 357 00:24:55,990 --> 00:25:00,870 Boris Johnson took the gloves off at a crucial moment, the day the annual 358 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:02,550 immigration figures were announced. 359 00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:07,990 We went to 4 Milbank where we do all the interviews for the various 360 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:09,590 broadcasters. 361 00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:17,210 And I remember walking up the stairs as the numbers arrived and they pinged into 362 00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:22,130 my inbox on my phone and I remember looking at it and thinking, crikey. 363 00:25:42,379 --> 00:25:49,120 He went and articulated and bossed an argument that was 364 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,700 all the more compelling. 365 00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:54,890 because he was a pro -immigration mayor of London. 366 00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:59,590 These figures have just come out. What do you make of them in the broad sense? 367 00:25:59,870 --> 00:26:02,870 I think that they show the scandal of the... 368 00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:06,940 Promise made by politicians repeatedly that they could cut immigration to the 369 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:07,940 tens of thousands. 370 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:14,480 We've now got a city the size of Oxford from the EU alone, and 333 ,000 net from 371 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,360 all around the world. The situation is completely out of control. The only way 372 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,300 to sort it out is vote Leave on June 23rd and take back control. 373 00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:29,220 I was very concerned about this because, to be frank about it, when we were 374 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,020 talking about the economy, we were winning. 375 00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:34,110 When we were talking about immigration, we were losing. 376 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:40,730 The team running the Remain campaign wanted the Prime Minister to challenge 377 00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:42,250 Leave's immigration offensive. 378 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:50,110 We've really got to make a blockbuster speech and confront them over this issue 379 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:51,110 of immigration. 380 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:55,610 I think I was very clear, I think Peter Mandelson was clear, that it wasn't 381 00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:59,070 enough simply to go on the economy. 382 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,360 Our economic message was critical. It was necessary for us to win the 383 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,420 It was not sufficient. 384 00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:11,480 I said this to number 10. They said, nope, no, no, no, no, no. We've got to 385 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,480 stick to economics. 386 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:18,640 The moment we start talking about immigration, we'll start playing their 387 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,840 The decision was taken that we shouldn't go out there and add more fuel to the 388 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,400 fire, that we actually needed to double down on the economy and wrecking the 389 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,400 economy. 390 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,220 being the centre of our campaign. 391 00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:35,280 Now, a referendum campaign broadcast by the Stronger in Europe campaign. 392 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,880 This is Sam. 393 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:40,020 He's 14 months old. 394 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,620 How you vote in the European referendum will shape his future and the future of 395 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:46,680 everyone in our country. 396 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,420 If we remain in Europe, there'll be more opportunities for our children to 397 00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:54,100 follow their dreams and make the most out of life. 398 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,360 Because being in Europe helps our businesses grow. 399 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,420 We had to keep doubling down on the economy, because that was the one issue 400 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,960 might switch people who otherwise were going to vote Leave. 401 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,380 Despite refusing to confront immigration head -on, Cameron chose to share a 402 00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:18,500 platform with Nigel Farage, hoping to expose the leader of a party he'd once 403 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:23,300 described as a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists. 404 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,120 So we arrived for the debate with Nigel Farage in the Prime Minister's official 405 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:36,700 convoy, only to see this purple open -top bus with Nigel Farage arriving at 406 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:37,700 same time. 407 00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:45,080 He was coming into the green room and I was wandering out with a cigarette, 408 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,680 actually, to be honest with you. So I said, Nigel, let's go, go, go, see them 409 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,840 walking. And so Nigel said, we've literally... 410 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,480 We're running to get to this door, knowing that this collision would be 411 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:06,780 He sort of asked how I was, and we exchanged pleasantries. I looked at him 412 00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:10,260 thought, well, I'll tell you what, if I feel nervous, you look really nervous. 413 00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:14,260 You know, the concept of doing something with Farage was different. 414 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,200 But on the other hand, I was persuaded, well, actually, having a moment where 415 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400 you can see what lies behind. 416 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:28,680 the campaign, i .e. Farage, and what the Prime Minister is saying, that's a good 417 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,680 contrast. 418 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Good evening. There are now just 16 days to go before the UK makes a momentous 419 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,600 decision to stay in or to leave the European Union. First up this evening is 420 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Nigel Farage. Hi, Nigel. 421 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:54,410 I know a lot of people, I have access to a predominantly black British audience, 422 00:29:54,470 --> 00:30:00,490 and a lot of the concerns that they have raised is that you are going to 423 00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:05,590 increase the fear and discrimination of black British people through your anti 424 00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:06,590 -immigration rhetoric. 425 00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:08,530 Are you encouraging racism? 426 00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:12,490 I don't think you could be more wrong, and here's why. I take a very strongly 427 00:30:12,490 --> 00:30:14,390 pro -Commonwealth view. 428 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,440 I think it was very bad and wrong of us to turn our backs on the Commonwealth in 429 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,640 favour of a European political project. 430 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080 You're still anti -immigration, so I don't see... I'm sorry, I won't have 431 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,040 You are anti -immigration. You use scaremongering and inflammatory comments 432 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,560 your campaign that have gone against people that look non -white. How are non 433 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,300 -white British people going to stop making discrimination about their 434 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,380 and nationality in this country? That is what I really want to know. 435 00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:44,000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It was quite difficult. 436 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:50,230 with a very, very engaged, quite noisy studio audience to get through. 437 00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:53,750 If you want to think that, and you don't want me... I don't think that. That's 438 00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:57,130 the majority of people that look black, British or non -white... Well, lots of 439 00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:59,330 them... I can't do a lot, unless I'm allowed to talk. 440 00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:05,530 Now, look, I'm explaining to you, our current open border policy is damaging 441 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:10,050 of our communities, and here's our chance, maybe our one and only chance as 442 00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:12,250 nation, to get a grip on this issue. Thank you. 443 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:16,130 Next, it was Cameron's turn. 444 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:19,290 But the immigration issue didn't go away. 445 00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:23,930 I voted for you in the last election because one of the things on your 446 00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:24,930 was to get immigration down. 447 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:27,730 You haven't been able to do that because you're not allowed to do that. 448 00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:31,790 That's the bottom line. I don't agree with that. I think the biggest risk we 449 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,630 take is to pull out of the EU. 450 00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:38,110 pull out of the single market, damage our businesses, damage jobs, and 451 00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:41,070 be fewer opportunities for our children and grandchildren. And I say again, I 452 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:45,170 hope that when people go to vote on June the 23rd, they vote to say, we don't 453 00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:49,110 want little England of Nigel Farage. We want to be Great Britain. And we're 454 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:52,330 great if we stay in these organizations and fight for the sort of values we 455 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:53,330 believe in. 456 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:03,940 With a fortnight to go, the Remain campaign sought to demonstrate another 457 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:05,100 of leaving the EU. 458 00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:08,940 Two retirees on a morning stroll. 459 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:14,900 Except John Major and Tony Blair were in Northern Ireland on business, walking 460 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,980 the famous peace bridge for a purpose. 461 00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:23,220 The two former prime ministers argued a vote to leave would put at risk the 462 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:24,920 peace they had painfully constructed. 463 00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:31,410 So throw away the membership of Europe, and don't be surprised if, in the end, 464 00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:37,050 as a consequence, we accidentally throw away our union as well. 465 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:42,470 We say to the Leave campaign, very directly, you have fundamental questions 466 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:47,030 answer about Northern Ireland, about the common travel area, about the effect of 467 00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:49,710 leaving the EU on the future makeup of the United Kingdom. 468 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,080 Remain drove the point home. 469 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,740 We've had two former prime ministers in Ireland today pointing out the issue 470 00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:04,960 there where one small vote leave have no plan for what the border would look 471 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,000 like. We don't know. There is danger to the union as well from this proposal to 472 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080 leave. There's a successful union and it's in the United Kingdom. 473 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,100 There's an unsuccessful union and it's called the European Union. 474 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,560 What really, really mattered was repetition of take back control. 475 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,080 Boris Johnson. 476 00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:25,860 On June the 23rd, we all face a historic choice. 477 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,720 To remain locked in a European Union, or to take back control. 478 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,160 Take back control. 479 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,480 Take back control. 480 00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:41,040 Take back control. It was destabilising to have them constantly saying, take 481 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840 back control, at us the whole time. Take back control. To take back control. 482 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,020 Take back control of huge sums of money. Being repeated and repeated and 483 00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:50,840 repeated. Take back control of our borders. Take back control of our 484 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,840 policy, our tax. 485 00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:55,130 our trade and take back control of our democracy. 486 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:59,710 It was a simple answer to a complicated question and it sort of implied to 487 00:33:59,710 --> 00:34:02,130 people that they had some sort of control as well. 488 00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:05,110 As 489 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:11,870 door 490 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:16,790 -to -door campaigning ramped up in the final two weeks, Leave's message was 491 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:19,610 clearly resonating with traditional Labour voters. 492 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:24,989 People realise now, nothing changes, that's why they're looking for an 493 00:34:24,989 --> 00:34:29,070 alternative. And all of the 1 % and their average powers are just laughing 494 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:30,070 tits off. 495 00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:36,610 It became clear to me the Remain message was not cutting through at all in 496 00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:40,090 working -class communities in the Midlands and the North. 497 00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:45,250 Jeremy was continually campaigning throughout. I mean, he was actually 498 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:50,770 more extensive than any other party leader. I mean, he did rallies in every 499 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:51,770 of Britain. 500 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:56,500 I went to Aberdeen because I was told this is going to be great. 501 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,300 People in Scotland are totally going to vote yes, you'll get a great reception 502 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,640 there and they'll understand your message. OK. 503 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:07,880 Those who want to tear up regulations are those that want to tear up workers' 504 00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:14,960 rights. We know which side we, the Labour Party, are on. It ends up 505 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,500 with a whole lot of people from the fishing industry turn up. 506 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,000 They've seen cuts. 507 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,540 They've seen austerity, their kids are in debt, their kids can't get council 508 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:27,700 housing, and you expect us to stay in the European Union. 509 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Fearing the worst, Cameron wanted Corbyn to campaign at more high -profile media 510 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,700 events in the final stretch. 511 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,260 There was a speech at De Montfort University where I stood aside and gave 512 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:48,400 platform to the leader of the opposition, to the leader of the Labour 513 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,160 they didn't step up. I only actually heard about this sort of second hand, 514 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:56,920 basically, because it was people said to me, Cameron wants you to speak in De 515 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,919 Montfort University. 516 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,220 I thought, whatever Cameron wants is not my business. 517 00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:11,410 I came in at the last minute. I wasn't really supposed to be doing that speech. 518 00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:14,510 Maybe I was the fifth, sixth or seventh choice, I don't know, but I ended up 519 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:16,690 there and we had a good meeting. 520 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:19,970 45 % of our exports go to the European Union. 521 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:24,730 3 .2 million jobs related to these exports to Europe. 522 00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:29,690 And if we lost these jobs, it would be a huge disaster for industrial 523 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:31,150 communities who depend on them. 524 00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:36,710 If we didn't have all labour figures working together, doing the same things 525 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:39,610 saying roughly the same things at the same time, it wasn't going to have the 526 00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:40,610 difference it should have made. 527 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:45,290 From our point of view, a kind of approach which was favoured by the kind 528 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:52,150 traditional labour establishment was really having no impact at all and was, 529 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:53,770 if anything, turning people off more. 530 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600 remain worried their warnings had not got through. 531 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,020 Standing alongside his Labour predecessor, the Chancellor threatened 532 00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:12,480 the UK left the EU, he would introduce an immediate emergency budget. 533 00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:17,060 There'll be a hole in the public finances. You've got chancellors from 534 00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:20,720 different political parties saying that taxes will have to go up, spending will 535 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,600 have to be cut. That is the reality of quitting the EU. I was utterly committed 536 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,560 to trying to win this campaign because I was... 537 00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:32,730 utterly convinced that it was a disaster for Britain. Sorts of tax rises we 538 00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:38,150 could see include a 2p rise in the basic rate of income tax, a 3p rise in the 539 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:45,050 higher rate, 5 % increases in duties on alcohol and on fuel, a 5 % increase in 540 00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:46,830 the basic rate of inheritance tax. 541 00:37:47,350 --> 00:37:51,310 Suddenly all these Tories came out, many of whom have been my friends in the 542 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:55,350 past, and said, George Osborne has crossed the line, this is outrageous, we 543 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:56,410 won't support this budget. 544 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,980 It was plainly untrue that these things would come to pass, which it promised. 545 00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:05,540 It was plainly not what would ever happen. We recognise that this is just a 546 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:09,860 scary story, a campaign tactic. We don't expect it ever to be brought forward. 547 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,820 It would be a repudiation of many of our manifesto promises, and that's why we 548 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:14,820 won't stand for it. 549 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Within hours, Steve Baker had got more than 50 Tory MPs to sign a statement 550 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,360 threatening to bring down their own government if Osborne proceeded with his 551 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,340 budget. It was a great campaigning moment to take the wheels off George 552 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:30,340 Osborne's nonsense. 553 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,980 And actually, it gives me some pleasure to have done it, given the contempt 554 00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:36,840 which actually I feel for that kind of campaigning tactic, to have destroyed 555 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:40,960 That's definitely the moment when, you know, Second Lieutenant George Osborne 556 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,900 got out of the trenches and got shot by the machine guns on the other side. And, 557 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:51,560 you know, my own kind of ambitions to be leader of the Tory party probably died 558 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,560 that day. 559 00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,420 With civil war breaking out inside Parliament, outside, Nigel Farage was 560 00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:05,620 there with an armada of angry fishermen who believed the EU was destroying their 561 00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:06,620 livelihoods. 562 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,620 We had little boats that had come from Bradwell and Essex. We had a huge 563 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:17,760 vessel that had come down from the north of Scotland. 564 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:30,530 But some ardent Remainers were determined to drown out Farage's 565 00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:32,790 Blown me down. 566 00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:37,370 On board is Bob Geldof, Boris Johnson's sister. 567 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:40,630 Many of the great were good from Kensington and Chelsea. 568 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:47,870 Bob Geldof called and said, would I like to be involved in some crazed stunt 569 00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:51,310 that he was organising? So I said no. 570 00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:52,830 And I said, why not? 571 00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:57,850 And she said... She said, because I don't want to just publicly go against 572 00:39:57,850 --> 00:40:01,790 brother. I said, it's got nothing to do with Boris, it's about stopping Nigel. 573 00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:08,670 And they were trying to cut us up, and so our boat was going like this, with 574 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:11,830 these little trawlers, you know, like wacky races. 575 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:17,550 At which point, the husband of an MP, Joe Cox... 576 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,960 came swarming out from amongst all these barges, Brendan Cox, with his two kids, 577 00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:25,040 with their inn flags. 578 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,580 Then pipes this huge, great big loudspeaker. You are no fisherman's 579 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,560 You were on the European Parliament Fishing Committee and you attended one 580 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,700 of 43 meetings. You're a fraud, Nigel. You're a fraud, Nigel. You're a fraud. 581 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,420 Go back down the river because you're up one without a canoe. 582 00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:52,690 We're a broad society that wants rock and roll, you know. 583 00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:55,630 I'm in with the in crowd. 584 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:03,430 I've got Woodstock, I've got Live Aid, I've got Glastonbury on my boat. 585 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:12,530 And the harbourmaster keeps coming up to our boat and telling us to... 586 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,020 Turn the music down. 587 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560 Bob Geldof says, well, there's only one thing to do at this point. And I was 588 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,560 like, what's that? 589 00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:21,100 He said, well, I'm going to ring the Prime Minister. 590 00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:23,800 He said, Bob, I'm really busy. 591 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,660 I just sort of talked to him and said, look, I've got to get on with Prime 592 00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:31,620 Minister's questions. And I said, Farage is coming up the river to park outside 593 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:33,660 Parliament with a load of fishermen. 594 00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:37,620 and disrupting PMQs. He says, who told you that? 595 00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:41,140 I said, what do you mean, who told me that? We're there now. 596 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,400 I wasn't quite sure what I was meant to do, so I think it was a relatively brief 597 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,700 conversation. I couldn't suddenly call the Coast Guard. 598 00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:56,620 The volume was absolutely extraordinary, and the level of personal invective and 599 00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:59,220 abuse that was used against me was huge. 600 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:12,100 Sometimes things can be reduced to a gesture, you know. You can go like that, 601 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:13,100 you can go like that. 602 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,400 I go with the latter. 603 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,440 They were these wonderful fishing boats, you know, adorned with these kind of 604 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,100 salty dog tights. And there we were, these metropolitan wankers. 605 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,340 And suddenly the fishermen, they're surrounding me now and going 606 00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:32,860 apoplectic. 607 00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:37,400 Really, I've never seen... People so dangerously angry. 608 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:42,740 And that's when it turned to Geldof against the fishermen as opposed to 609 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:49,360 against me. There was one guy screaming at me, really alongside 610 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,360 our boat. 611 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,820 And I just said, well, come on board. 612 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:56,660 You're all wrong. 613 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:01,460 And I will stand on this boat and I'll say, you are wrong and you are wrong and 614 00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:04,120 you are wrong. Not one of you, Lord, look. 615 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:13,860 Everything in that man's voice, you know, everything, his anger, his rage 616 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:17,620 his future or the future of his family, everything was wrapped up in his 617 00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:23,380 loathing of me and all the people who were trying to stop Brexit. 618 00:43:26,540 --> 00:43:28,180 Referendums aren't about facts. 619 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,820 It's all about emotion. 620 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,180 And that landed. 621 00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:40,970 And that was the moment we won, I think, the biggest PR victory of the whole 622 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:41,970 campaign. 623 00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:53,430 The next day, Farage staged another event, determined immigration dominate 624 00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:54,830 final days of the campaign. 625 00:44:03,779 --> 00:44:07,040 The more outrageous you are, the more attention you get. The more attention 626 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,240 get, the more outrageous you become. 627 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:15,140 Well, joining me is the UKIP leader, Nigel Farage. And let me put it to you, 628 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,160 that is an extraordinarily incendiary poster that suggests Britain is somehow 629 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,260 breaking point. 630 00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:23,260 It was a very powerful image. 631 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,880 It's an image, by the way, that if you used it today, you'd probably get very 632 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,880 little criticism. 633 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:31,880 Every one of these can get to Calais. 634 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:36,360 We know how bad our government is at defending our borders. And within a few 635 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,100 years, all of these people will have EU passports. 636 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:47,420 While the media was going crazy about this poster, I got a phone call from 637 00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:54,400 somebody in MI5 who was saying that they thought that Jo Cox had been very, very 638 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,260 severely injured by somebody who attacked her. 639 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,400 The Labour MP Jo Cox is in a critical condition after being shot and stabbed 640 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,400 her constituency. 641 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,600 What alerted local people were the sounds of screaming, mad, loud, manic 642 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,080 screaming, followed immediately by people rushing out to her aid with 643 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,360 tea blankets and such like to try and stem the flow of blood. 644 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,260 She only spoke a couple of days ago about how excited the children had been 645 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:31,920 be involved in the flotilla on the Thames as part of the European 646 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,400 campaigns. Of course, nobody could have foreseen that this was going to happen. 647 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,600 I knew Jill Cox well. 648 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,400 She was one of the most tolerant, outward -going people, prepared to 649 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,260 everybody and wanting people to come together. 650 00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:49,330 The thing that surprises me time and time again as I travel around the 651 00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:53,210 constituency is that we are far more united and have far more in common than 652 00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:54,390 that which divides us. 653 00:45:55,110 --> 00:45:59,490 She represented something about tolerance and about understanding each 654 00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:05,390 about building bridges and about cutting across divides and yet this campaign 655 00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:09,450 has descended into something that really does no justice to the kind of politics 656 00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,290 and the kind of society that we want to see. 657 00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:15,190 This is a man accused of murdering her. 658 00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:21,060 Eyewitnesses say he said, Britain first, and this is for Britain, as he attacked 659 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:22,060 Joe Cox. 660 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:28,640 That night, there was a conversation on the phone between myself, Giesler, Boris 661 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,660 and Dominic Cummings. I do, I remember thinking, you know, my God, is this 662 00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:39,320 really, is it really us who have done, is it true that this campaign has 663 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,060 released these appalling feelings in people? 664 00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:46,250 I literally had people coming up to me and telling me that I had killed Joe 665 00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:51,470 And that's where it's really, really hard. 666 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:52,890 All three of us, 667 00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:56,190 Boris Gisler and me, were upset. 668 00:46:56,630 --> 00:47:00,990 We were convinced, by the way, that it was over for the campaign. 669 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:10,630 People will think this is a horrible, nasty... 670 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,300 We had a phobic campaign that's bringing out the worst in people. We all agreed 671 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:16,800 we would stop campaigning. 672 00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:20,420 Do you regret your breaking point poster? 673 00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:25,020 Well, it said the EU has failed us all, and it was designed for us to say to 674 00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:29,040 people, we do not want to stay part of a union that has failed on Tuesday. 675 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:35,160 I'm used to criticism, but that Sunday was of a different level. 676 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:37,680 It was of a different level. 677 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,900 Completely unfair, unrelated, but that's by the by. 678 00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:52,780 The Remain camp are using these awful circumstances to try to say that the 679 00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:58,380 motives of one deranged, dangerous individual were similar of half the 680 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,340 or perhaps more, who believe we should leave the EU. 681 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,520 I said, look, I'm really sorry that, you know, this happened at this moment. 682 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:15,560 I didn't apologize for the poster itself or any sense of what it was trying 683 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,400 to convey, that Europe's making a catastrophic mistake. 684 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,200 We shouldn't allow ourselves to be part of it. 685 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,120 But I apologize, obviously, if anyone thought that this was what the Leave 686 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,160 campaign was about, which it clearly wasn't. 687 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,140 The polls were swinging towards Remain. 688 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,880 David Cameron wanted to resume campaigning with a display of national 689 00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:49,320 I remember ringing Gordon with this idea that we should have, you know, the four 690 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,840 living prime ministers, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Major and myself, 691 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,580 Downing Street on lecterns, lectern each. 692 00:48:58,970 --> 00:49:02,930 explaining why we as serving and previous prime ministers thought it was 693 00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:04,330 Britain's national interest. 694 00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:08,190 We would be stronger, safer, better off if we stayed. And I said, look, that 695 00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:11,930 will not work because why people are voting against us, particularly Labour 696 00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:15,690 voters, is they see it as an establishment stitch -up. It's nothing 697 00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:19,710 them. Europe is some far -off place and it's not really benefiting their lives. 698 00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:23,650 I respected his argument. He's a highly intelligent man. 699 00:49:24,010 --> 00:49:26,570 But I was a bit frustrated because I thought, look... 700 00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:31,650 It may not be the perfect idea, but it's something about the striking image and 701 00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:37,050 reality of people with radically different opinions about life saying we 702 00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:39,150 stay in. And he said, we need a shock factor. 703 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:41,970 And I said to him, look, we've had the shock factor. 704 00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:43,870 Joe Cox was assassinated. 705 00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:53,730 Instead of what I would have called an establishment stitch -up, I wanted a 706 00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:57,030 different proposal, which was all the Labour leaders trying to get the Labour 707 00:49:57,030 --> 00:50:01,210 vote out. That was the vote that was most at risk, and they would all appear 708 00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:05,330 together and speak together about the importance of staying inside the 709 00:50:05,330 --> 00:50:07,330 Union and leading Europe, not leaving it. 710 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:11,290 The call was made to Jeremy Corbyn. 711 00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:13,730 I said, absolutely no. 712 00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:16,590 Listen, Blair... 713 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:22,580 started my leadership campaign by saying, if you've got a heart to vote 714 00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:24,540 Jeremy Corbyn, you need a heart transplant. 715 00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:30,940 And he was unremitting in his attacks and abuse on me the whole time, and 716 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:35,040 remains so. It was barely a decade after the invasion and occupation of Iraq. 717 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:41,680 A significant section of the British public still regarded Tony Blair as a 718 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,500 criminal. Because the people that had voted for me had clearly voted for me as 719 00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:50,600 an alternative to Blair, the war, the free market and all the other stuff that 720 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,600 Blair's so keen on. 721 00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:53,580 So, no. 722 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,320 Polling Day itself was quite a strange day because... 723 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,940 23rd of June was the date that my oldest daughter was graduating from St 724 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:21,900 Andrews. And it was a difficult day because, obviously, Boris was there, 725 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:26,040 visible, attracting quite a lot of notice and attention. 726 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,880 The atmosphere, you were cut with a knife. I mean, my goodness. 727 00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:34,400 I mean, you could not find a more remained environment. 728 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,360 And, you know, they looked at me as though, like, you know, God, there's 729 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,360 something the cat brought in. 730 00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:43,600 Things were dragging on a bit and I remember saying to Marina, we've got to 731 00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:48,520 We were miles and miles from London, miles and miles from the polling 732 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,480 It would really not be great if Boris missed the poll, having led to the vote 733 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,480 leave campaign. 734 00:51:57,420 --> 00:51:59,540 I don't think he would have heard the end of that. 735 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:06,620 We eventually landed at City Airport in London with about an hour to go or so. 736 00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:08,890 Boris said, let's go on the DLR. 737 00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:13,290 We rushed across to vote with sort of 15 minutes to spare. 738 00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:16,150 Loads of photographers followed us back to the house. We got through the front 739 00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:21,050 door and virtually the first thing that appears on the BBC special coverage is 740 00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:25,390 news that Boris Johnson has told a man on the underground that they're not 741 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:26,390 to win the referendum. 742 00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:30,050 And I remember looking at him and just saying, how many times have I told you, 743 00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:31,930 don't speak to people on the tube? 744 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:36,270 Good evening and welcome at the end of this... 745 00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:41,270 momentous day when each one of us has had the chance to say what kind of 746 00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:47,450 we want to live in. So the evening of the referendum campaign sort of started 747 00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:53,970 quite confidently because these opinion poll organisations were saying that they 748 00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:55,310 thought that we had won. 749 00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:59,550 The polling stations closed after weeks, months, years of argument. 750 00:52:59,770 --> 00:53:03,490 And we'll have the answer to the question that's haunted British politics 751 00:53:03,490 --> 00:53:05,250 long. Do we want to be in? 752 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,200 or out of the EU. 753 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,260 When 10 o 'clock came, it's like, all the adrenaline's gone. 754 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,160 And I said mistakenly, well, you know what, maybe the other side will win. 755 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,200 Take this with a pinch of salt, but we have had, we've spoken to Nigel Farage. 756 00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:24,500 It's been an extraordinary referendum campaign. Nigel Farage, turnout looks to 757 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,740 be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it. 758 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,920 I sort of began to sink a little bit because there's nothing more I can do. 759 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:32,920 tried so hard. 760 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,960 The total number of votes cast in favour of Remain was 51 761 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,880 ,930. 762 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:49,220 The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was 82 ,000. 763 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:57,460 I thought, wow, that's a huge, huge... That's much bigger than they were 764 00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:01,660 forecasting. So I was watching the snake on... I was watching the Betfair. 765 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,780 and seeing suddenly it kinked for leave. 766 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:12,740 The total number of votes cast in favour of leave was 67 767 00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:15,560 ,251. 768 00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:22,540 I remember my daughter, Nancy, was sort of sitting next to me around this table, 769 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,400 we were watching the TV, and she sort of said, Dad, we're losing this, and I 770 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,900 could feel it. 771 00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:30,650 I remember going up to my own apartment, which was in 10 Downing Street, sort of 772 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:32,390 lying on the sofa, my family were asleep. 773 00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:36,430 It was like three in the morning, just going, everything is in ruins. 774 00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:41,930 So it wasn't just my own personal ambitions that were being, you know, 775 00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:46,970 in smoke. It was also, I felt deeply patriotic that my country was making a 776 00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:48,270 really terrible wrong turn. 777 00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:51,950 The British people have spoken and the answer is, we're out. 778 00:54:55,530 --> 00:55:00,470 I've campaigned for something that everybody told me was a waste of time. I 779 00:55:00,470 --> 00:55:06,790 wasting my time. And a dream that I had and pursued relentlessly had actually 780 00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:07,790 come to pass. 781 00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:13,890 Let June the 23rd go down in our history as our Independence Day! 782 00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:21,510 In the end, Leave had won by 4%, 52 to 48. 783 00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:35,190 I just felt I'd have no credibility. 784 00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:38,590 I felt that the country needed a new prime minister. 785 00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:40,830 Samantha agreed about that. 786 00:55:41,570 --> 00:55:46,030 I remember her saying, you know, gosh, I just don't think I can face going out 787 00:55:46,030 --> 00:55:50,630 there. I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it. 788 00:55:51,070 --> 00:55:55,790 And I will do everything I can in future to help this great country succeed. 789 00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:57,770 Thank you very much. 790 00:55:59,030 --> 00:56:02,570 And I remember Boris just saying, Jesus Christ, poor Sam. 791 00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:04,490 What the hell? What the hell? 792 00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:07,230 And he was obsessed by her sort of reaction. 793 00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:13,790 Well, what I felt was, right, 794 00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:17,530 we're going to have to do something. 795 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:19,730 It's going to have to involve me. 796 00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:27,330 We'd better go down and give a press conference and try and settle things, 797 00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:28,330 and steady the ship. 798 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,920 It was that moment when we walked out the door that I knew that probably the 799 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,380 course of the country, certainly Boris's part in it, had changed forever. 800 00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:52,480 You know, suddenly, having been used to, you know, people being... People 801 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,740 heckle, people shout jocular insults, you Tory toss -on and so on, but they 802 00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:00,440 really angry, they were really upset. 803 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,460 We managed to get in the car with the help of quite a few police officers and 804 00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:14,740 the car left the front and sped off down the road. And at the end of their road, 805 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,940 there is a traffic light and it was green. 806 00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:23,020 And just before he reached it, it went orange and he braked and it went red and 807 00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,020 he stopped. 808 00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:30,020 And instantly we were surrounded by protesters and really, really angry 809 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:38,540 It was then that I really felt the strength of people's feeling about this. 810 00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:43,880 underestimated how deeply it spoke to people. 811 00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:47,140 For the first time I'd ever seen him looking, like, properly fearful. 812 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,600 Not necessarily just for his own safety, but for a sense of kind of, what has 813 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,620 this unleashed? 814 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,940 Obviously we were delighted that we'd won, but conscious. 815 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,140 that we were embarking on what would be a difficult path. 816 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,740 I don't think any of us realised quite how difficult it would be. 817 00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:11,980 Suddenly the people are looking at you thinking, you know, you're in charge of 818 00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:14,540 defence, you're in charge of tax, you're in charge of epilepsy, everything. 819 00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:26,940 To those who may be anxious, whether at home or abroad, this does not mean that 820 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:30,120 the United Kingdom will be in any way less united. 821 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,800 nor indeed does it mean that it will be any less European. 822 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:44,560 We didn't have a plan for what to do next because we didn't think it was our 823 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,400 job to have a plan. 824 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,560 Out of control